Should i take carver with me

By New Messages - Sat Mar 12, am. I COULD pump every ability point Anders has been acumulating into healing and go double mage all the way, but I really don't think my party would be able to survive for very long, even with that. Can anyone give me a sugestion as to what I should do?

Thanks in advance. User mini profile. New Messages Status: Offline. By i love lamp x3 - Sat Mar 12, am. By kaiki01 - Sat Mar 12, am. Bethany and Carver are definitely happier as Circle Mage and Warden respectively.

Bethany says at two different times that the Circle is pretty bad and not as bad as they think, but overall, she is fine with being with the Circle. As for Carver and Grey Wardens Also, I've read he has a much better reaction than Bethany does to it. Bloodrealm talk , April 1, UTC.

Bethany gets over being sent to the Wardens. It's fine if you chose that. A role play decision can be made here, with magical precognition since we know she dies, becomes a warden or joins the circle. If you have her become a warden you are lowering the chance of your family's bloodline to continue.

If you have her become a circle mage, then given the rebellion she's essentially apostate again However that happier life she thought she was getting in the circle isn't all it's raked up to be and she just ends up on the run again anyway, putting her back at square one. So the warden's have the upside of at least carrying on with purpose, a title, etc which seems important to her.

Neither choice is wrong however. Carver warms up after he leaves the party whether to the wardens or templars. Specially so if you've done his personal quest prior. Carver finds purpose and makes more witty stabs at his own growing persona by end game. The same "lack of purpose" applies to Carver as it does Bethany however if you let him join the Templars. Because he will join up with you, which means that happiness he found being apart of the Templars With the warden's again you lower the chance of the family line continuing but you give Carver a stable, consistent purpose.

As for Carver vs Bethany I choose Carver, but mostly because I adore mages. However even if I could decide, despite class, I may end up choosing Carver anyway. I like Carver's personal quest and the gravitas it carries. I like how much growth he goes thru over the game. I like being there for him and including him in decisions to help grow his persona. With Bethany she's pretty much a complete persona from the start, a little upset she's always in hiding, but otherwise pretty set.

Carver hesitates again. Then he begins, "Sister. Hawke just patiently stands there, and I don't blame her for not making an effort, really. Carver is the one who pushed Hawke away with his bitterness and anger. He should be the one to apologize. Remember, this playthrough I'm describing was on the rivalry path. So Carver and Hawke are not friends, though they still love each other and they still struggle to show that love. I find this conflict far more interesting than having Carver as a warden and being friends with Hawke.

Alternatively, you can choose to play this out in a way that's even colder than the one I just described, and you can even gain more rivalry if Carver isn't maxed out. If Carver is alive and a templar, Hawke can choose to leave him behind instead of taking him through the prison to fight Corypheus.

This is an easy way to gain more rivalry, as it directly mirrors the reason templar Carver is pissed in the first place: Hawke left him behind during the expedition. At the end of the DLC, Carver arrives at Hawke's mansion to talk to her about what she discovered in the ruins. There is an option to tell Carver about Malcolm and Javaris, and you can still get the touching scene where Carver seems to hesitate in an attempt to reconcile with his estranged sibling.

But you can choose to play Hawke as so angry, she decides not to tell Carver anything about Malcolm and instead demands to know why he joined the templars. And interestingly enough, Carver is a lot more serious in this moment than when the question is asked during the journey through the prison.

In this version of the dialogue, Carver refers to his templar status sarcastically as "the great betrayal," insists he didn't do it just to spite Hawke, and explains that there was nothing else he could do couldn't be a guard, couldn't be a Grey Warden, and Hawke didn't need him. He wanted to make things better for himself and for Hawke.

So he became a templar. Carver is very adamant about the last part: he became a templar for Hawke, to protect her. This version of the conversation pretty much supported my earlier arguments that Carver wasn't just being a spiteful prick. But you only find this out if Hawke is belligerent and angry enough that she won't even talk about Malcolm. I also have to wonder why Carver wants to be needed by Hawke so badly. In both versions of the conversation, he points out that Hawke said she didn't need him and covertly admits that this hurt his feelings.

But why does he want his sibling to need him so badly? After explaining why he became a templar, Carver leaves the mansion, leaving Hawke alone. The conversation is very brief and cold compared to the version where they actually talk about Malcolm and reminisce about their childhood.

But for me, it was further proof that Carver loves Hawke. He's just very bad at showing it. This is something Merrill tells Hawke word-for-word after the Deep Roads expedition. At the beginning of Act II, Hawke can visit Merrill in her home, and she says something to effect of, "Your brother loves you. Again, Carver being a rivaled templar just plays into the story better. Like Gamlen, Carver's entire life is defined by his sister's ties with magic. He can't join the guard because Aveline refuses him, so the next best thing is to become a templar.

That's another thing. A lot of fans think Carver became a templar just to spite Hawke and yes, Legacy confirms that somewhat , but I think that's only part of it. Hawke was gone for weeks. Carver had to support himself and his mother, and templar was basically the only job available to him with his skill set.

Carver is a soldier, not a merchant or a craftsman. All he knows how to do is fight, and Aveline has turned down his application for the guard.

On top of that, no one in Kirkwall wants to hire a refugee. A lot of the Kirkwall natives are prejudiced and suspicious of Fereldans and refuse to hire them. So the Fereldans wind up living in slums and committing survival crime to get by. Carver and Hawke, who both work as mercenaries and smugglers, are a keen example of how oppression works. Hell, mage Hawke has a double-whammy: being both Fereldan and a mage guarantees she will commit survival crime to feed her family.

A mage simply can't go get a job. Malcolm, Hawke's father, is another example of this, as he became a Crimson Oar mercenary after escaping the circle. Carver is also too young and too kind-hearted to be a shady criminal.

He follows Hawke's lead and complains about all the bad stuff she does, but if he was on his own, he would never have the courage it takes to commit crimes to survive and doesn't understand why it's necessary. For example, Hawke can blackmail Thrask, a templar who allowed his daughter to flee the circle. Hawke finds evidence of this and demands hush money. Thrask calls her a monster always hilarious and pays her off. Carver gets angry and asks if that was necessary. Unfortunately, it was.

Hawke needs the money to support her family. She never had any intention of actually telling Thrask's secret I don't think that's even an option in the game but played upon his prejudice against mages his assumption that she's a terrible person to squeeze money of out him. Hawke was just playing the system that was screwing her over anyway, but Carver is too young and naive to understand this.

And as a side note, Anders gets angry at Hawke for this, too. I think it shows how naive Anders also is, which isn't surprising since he 1 thinks justice actually exists rather than just being an ideal and 2 idealizes Hawke about as badly as Carver does. And interestingly enough, Merrill, the one who is often accused of immaturity and naivety by fans, does not gain rivalry when Hawke blackmails Thrask.

Deep down, Merrill knows how the world works better, probably, than both Carver and Anders. Carver's naivety is why it's so ironic that he loves being a Grey Warden, I think.

Grey Wardens are mostly conscripted criminals and thieves. I guess Carver is a lot like Alistair in that way: too righteous and upstanding to survive a dark world and blinded by his idealism.

Hawke isn't written to be above crime at all, which is another reason she and Carver bump heads. So basically, Carver hates having to reduce himself to crime to survive and kind of resents his sister for forcing him along that path, even if it's not really Hawke's fault. It's not like Hawke chose to be a mage. Because of Kirkwall's prejudice, most Fereldans are reduced to begging and stealing. Walking in the shelter during the quest to recruit Anders and seeing all the refugees with starving family members is sad.

That could have easily been Hawke and her family. Gamlen is a homophobic bastard, but at least he takes care of his family. This is intended by BioWare as a story element. If you do not agree with this decision however, it is still possible to bring them back to your party via save game editing. The tools needed are provided via BioWare's site.

For detailed instructions, watch: www. The only way to kill your sibling at that point in the game is to bring them with you without Anders. Bringing Anders or leaving them behind results in them showing up later in the game, dealing with whatever situation they are in. Unfortunately, they don't ever join back up with you as a full companion after Act I.